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A very interesting and detailed article on the techniques, whether consciously or unconsciously applied, that make the difference between music that moves the listener and music that doesn't. Both beautiful and highly analytical. With mp3 examples from classical music, but I'm sure your own examples will spring to mind.



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Is this based on a dissertation or post-grad work? I don't have much time to read it right now (I think I'm gonna eat ice cream and a mango to help my throat) but it sounds similar to what people are doing in the "music cognition" field.

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I didn't know there was a music cognition field. I just found it and thought it was really cool because I'd never read anything quite like it. I'm not a classical musician, or indeed any kind of musician. But I am really, really into listening to music. And being moved by it. I can't quite make out what institution, if any, the site is affiliated with.


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Northwestern has a music cognition program in lieu of a music theory program. It's not a very common program currently but it takes aspects of neuroscience, music therapy, and music thoery and blends them together. I knew someone who was getting a PhD in it. I haven't had time to further look at this but if I find out what institution it's affliated with, I'll post it.

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Please do, E.

I find this subject endlessly fascinating!

And Felicity, thanks for the original post (I missed it until now). I read something related a while back, I'll see if I can recall/relocate and post it here, as well.

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Possible, as I haven't been extremely thorough with their CVs, but I think that there would have been other past studies that would have been published or subjected to review. I don't think that scientists really work on one thing and then go to the next. I think they might work on one experiment for a bit and then go to another concurrently. I would have to ask someone in the science field.

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I didn't approach this as a scientific text. That would have been a category error. The essay, clumsily written as it was in spots (I saw the run-ons as an endearing mark of enthusiasm), struck me as an attempt to bridge the gap between musicians and audiences by deconstructing the audience's subjective experience of being moved, or not, by music and reverse-engineering it in a way that musicians could apply in performance. I'm no scientician, but I could do the exact same thing for poetry, probably even up to listing you 11 "cognitive techniques", with examples, that could be employed to create more moving poems. Would you insist that my essay be peer-reviewed?

I don't really mind that this essay comes from a fairly flaky "institution". The ability to glean good ideas from dodgy sources is a powerful secret weapon, as I discovered once when I awed a PhD in gender studies with relationship advice cadged from the Mars and Venus books.

And yes, of course there is music that doesn't communicate anything. When was the last time you were put on hold?


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